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Class of 2010 Employment Report
For each graduating class, KU Law measures employment at graduation and nine months after graduation. Each February, every law school in the country submits employment data for its most recent graduating class to the National Association for Law Placement (NALP). Each June, law schools receive a detailed report from NALP of national and school-specific employment and salary trends.
Class of 2010 Employment Statistics
We submitted our Class of 2010 employment report to NALP on Feb. 22, 2011. There were 168 students in the Class of 2010. Of the 165 students for whom we were able to gather employment information, 131 students reported employment and 10 reported returning to school to seek an additional degree. Sixteen students reported seeking employment, and 8 reported not seeking employment.
We ran preliminary calculations for employed at graduation and nine months after graduation based on the US News & World Report methodology.
To calculate employed at graduation, US News adds the number of employed grads plus those seeking additional degrees, and divides by the total number of graduates less those not seeking employment.
For the nine-month figure, US News adds the number of employed grads plus (1) those seeking additional degrees and (2) one-fourth of unknown grads and divides by the total number of graduates less those not seeking employment.
55 percent of the KU Law Class of 2010 was employed at graduation. 88.6 percent of the KU Law class of 2010 was employed or seeking an additional degree within nine months of graduation. These employment statistics will be reported to US News this fall and will appear in the April 2012 rankings issue.
With the exception of the employed at graduation statistic, which fell from 63.2 percent to 55 percent, the Classes of 2009 and 2010 were quite similar. The number of students still seeking employment nine months after graduation increased by two students from 2009 to 2010, but the Class of 2010 was larger by eight students.
Class of 2009 and Class of 2010 Salaries
In the KU Law Class of 2009, 108 students reported salaries, or 82 percent of employed students. Our 82 percent salary reporting rate compared favorably with the national rate of 54 percent. In fact, the highest national percentage of employed graduates reporting salaries over the last eight years was 65 percent.
One hundred and five (105) KU Law graduates reported salaries in the 2010 class. This represented 80 percent of employed graduates.
A breakdown of Class of 2009 salaries by employment sector and employment category may be viewed here. Salary means and medians by employment sector and employment category for the Class of 2010 will be published on the KU Law website when we receive our NALP report in June.
Class of 2009 and Class of 2010 Bar Passage Required Jobs
The overall NALP and US News employment statistics count all jobs of any type. While most law students enroll with the goal of practicing law, by graduation some have decided to pursue less traditional, "JD preferred" jobs or other professional positions that do not require the passage of a bar exam.
Nevertheless, it is important to be aware of the number of grads accepting jobs requiring bar passage.
In the KU Law Class of 2009, 97 students reported accepting jobs requiring bar passage, representing 62 percent of grads for whom employment status was known. Ninety four (94) of these positions were full time, while three were part time.
Nationally, 71 percent of law students in the Class of 2009 for whom employment status was known reported accepting a job requiring bar passage.
The same overall number (97) reported accepting jobs requiring bar passage in the KU Law Class of 2010, or 59 percent of graduates for whom employment status is known. Ninety-five (95) of these positions were full time, while two were part time.
A breakdown of this statistic over the last eight years can also be viewed here.
Todd Rogers, Assistant Dean for Career Services
Getting involved at KU Law
As a first-year student, I was immediately presented with opportunities for mentorship and networking. Career Services provided me with a valuable mentor to explore the ins and outs of networking and job-prospecting in Kansas City. I was also paired with a Dean’s Fellow (upper-level student mentor) that provided a valuable student-perspective on the transition from undergraduate to law school. Additionally, the student body has countless organizations, social events, and activities to choose between. Immediately, I felt connected and involved in my law school.
As the year progressed, I began exploring more substantive opportunities to gain hands-on experience. I participated in the joint writing competition and was accepted to the Kansas Journal of Law & Public Policy. On the Journal, I had the opportunity to edit, review, and cite-check the work of prestigious practitioners, professors, and scholars. This perfectly aligned with my desire to develop strong legal writing and researching abilities. I also obtained an invaluable position as a judicial extern for Magistrate Judge K. Gary Sebelius through KU Law’s Judicial Clinic. This provided a real opportunity to understand the practice of law as a young attorney and apply my classroom learning in a meaningful way.
As a third-year student, I feel ready and able to tackle upcoming challenges. Additionally, each of these opportunities led to new and exciting opportunities. For example, I am currently the Senior Symposium Editor for the Journal and will help host a symposium on “The Role of the States in Federal Healthcare Reform” in February 2011. I know that the skills and experiences I had were made possible because KU Law values students having opportunities at their disposal. In considering law schools, be sure to consider not just how the classroom environment will contribute to your learning; strongly consider how the larger law school experience will facilitate your development as a young attorney. I could not be more satisfied with my choices and experiences at KU Law.
T.J. Trum, 3L
Career services programming keeps students at the top of their game
The KU Law Office of Career Services prides itself on providing a wide variety of career-related programming and resources, and in being accessible, welcoming and helpful to students and graduates, regardless of their career aspirations.
In the fall of 2009, the office sponsored 26 lunchtime programs, ranging from resume and cover letter-writing and interviewing skills, to practice area-specific panels.
This fall, we sponsored another 22 programs and produced two webinars: one about interviewing tips and techniques and another detailing strategies to find a job beyond the on-campus interview process.
The series of fall 2010 presentations included programs about the state of the legal economy; panels focusing on criminal law, federal government practice, law practice in small towns, judicial clerkships, and alternative careers for lawyers; and instructional hours on resumes, cover letters, networking and positive psychology.
In collaboration with the Office of Student Affairs, we debuted the KU Law Student Wellness Series in the fall of 2009. The purpose of the series is to encourage professional behavior and teach practical skills essential to navigating the pitfalls of life as a law student and new attorney. In both the fall of 2009 and 2010, we featured programs about how to cope with law school anxiety, how to better manage finances while in law school and after graduation, and business etiquette.
Students also seek career-related information through individual appointments. From July 1, 2009, through June 30, 2010, Todd Rogers had 282 appointments with students, while Karen Hester had an additional 254. Between the two of us, we scheduled more appointments from July 1, 2010, through Dec. 31, 2010, than in any of the previous seven falls.
I should also mention our 1L Mentor Program, through which we matched 73 1Ls with attorney mentors this fall, and our annual Legal Career Options Day, generously co-sponsored by the Kansas Bar Association, Johnson County Bar Association and Wichita Bar Association.
More information about these important networking programs, and pictures from the Mentor Reception and the 8th Annual Career Options Day, can be found on our website.
Todd Rogers, Assistant Dean for Career Services
Career services dean answers employment questions from prospective students
| Graduation Year | % Employed at Graduation | % Employed Nine Months after Graduation | US News Ranking |
| 2009 | 63.2 | 89.0 | TBD (April 2011) |
| 2008 | 69.4 | 93.6 | 67 (April 2010) |
| 2007 | 67.1 | 95.5 | 65 (April 2009) |
| 2006 | 65.9 | 94.7 | 73 (April 2008) |
(2) What’s the geographic dispersion of recent KU Law grads?
Our on-campus interview (OCI) numbers serve as a rough barometer of the overallhealth of the legal economy, especially regionally. By tracking the last threeacademic years, it becomes clear that the recession was in full bloom in latesummer/early fall 2009, the same time period in which employers were decidingwhether to participate in the fall 2009 OCI program to recruit 2L law studentsfor the summer of 2010.
Over half of law schools surveyed reported a decrease of 30 percent or more inthe number of employers on campus in fall 2009 compared with fall 2008. Ourdrop was 40 percent, from 72 to 43 employers; 38.2 percent of schools in theMidwest reported a decrease of more than 40 percent.
- 45 enrolled in a summer school class.
- 40 enrolled in a clinic in which they received course credit forcompleting practical legal work.
- 15 participated in a KU Law-sponsored study abroad program.
- 10 received a Bremyer Summer Clerk Scholarship for summer workwith a legal employer in a less populous Kansas community.
- 15 received a KU Law Summer Stipend for volunteer legal work witha public interest organization. Stipend recipients worked in Kansas, Missouri,Arkansas, California, New York, Texas and Washington.
- Finally, 25 students secured a legal internship with an employeroutside of the Bremyer or KU Law Summer Stipend Programs.
A response to ‘Is law school a losing game?’
On Jan. 8 the New York Times published a much-discussed article called “Is Law School a Losing Game?” The article’s author, David Segal, is critical of a law school system that he alleges overstates employment prospects to prospective students, all in the name of packing classrooms with students who pay high tuitions.
The Lawrence Journal-World linked to the article on Jan. 13 and asked about the employment picture at KU Law.
Let me partially answer that query by referring to two specific criticisms leveled by the article and then explaining how KU Law does business.
Segal refers to the “Wonderland” of law school employment statistics and states that many schools — even some outside the top 40 — list the median starting salary of their graduates in the private sector at $160,000.
As a prospective law student, it’s imperative to carefully scrutinize employment stats. For example, there’s a significant difference between private practice and public sector salaries. Statistics that blend private practice and public interest salaries together are relatively meaningless.
So are private practice salary stats based on only a small percentage of graduates. It’s likely that schools outside the top 40 listing a median starting salary of $160,000 for grads in the private sector have not accounted for even a majority of those graduates when calculating the average.
For the class of 2009, 79 KU Law students reported a private practice salary. This represented 80.6 percent of 2009 graduates employed in private practice. The average salary was $72,660.
Segal also alleges that schools massage employment data to produce numbers that are inciting to prospective students and palatable to current student and alumni. In doing so, he notes that “a school with the guts to report, say, a 4 percent drop in postgraduate employment would plunge in the rankings, leaving the dean to explain a lot of convoluted math, and the case for unvarnished truth, to a bunch of angry students and alums.”
The decision to come to law school is an important one that ultimately involves three years of intense study and, in some cases, significant borrowing. Prospective law students should be afforded every opportunity to review accurate employment data. The following information for graduation years 2006-09 is available on the KU Law website.
Graduation Year % Employed at Graduation % Employed Nine Months after Graduation US News Ranking 2009 63.2 89.0 TBD
(April 2011)2008 69.4 93.6 67
(April 2010)2007 67.1 95.5 65
(April 2009)2006 65.9 94.7 73
(April 2008)In the midst of the recession, our numbers took a hit, but we were upfront about reporting the losses accurately.
One statistic not touched upon in the article, and not often discussed by prospective students, is the percentage of students employed in “bar admission required” positions.
Most law students enroll with the goal of practicing law after graduation. By graduation, some have decided to pursue less traditional, “J.D.-preferred” or other professional positions that do not require the passage of a bar exam.
During the recession, we’ve seen the percentage of recent grads employed in “bar admission required” positions decline as an increased number of graduates who do want to practice law have been unable to secure traditional legal positions and have been forced to look elsewhere.
Here’s the percentage of KU Law graduates from the last eight classes who were employed in “bar admission required” positions nine months after graduation:
KU Law Class Ratio Percentage 2002 117/162 72.2% 2003 96/146 65.8% 2004 133/184 72.3% 2005 124/179 69.3% 2006 117/170 68.8% 2007 115/157 73.2% 2008 120/161 74.5% 2009 97/156 62.2% (Note: Other categories are J.D. Preferred, Other Professional, Non-Professional, Pursuing Degree FT, Unemployed-Seeking and Unemployed-Not Seeking.)
The recession has certainly put a damper on graduates securing traditional legal positions, and prospective students deserve access to this information from all schools they’re considering.
Todd Rogers, Assistant Dean for Career Services